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		<title>By: Roger Carthew</title>
		<link>http://brainsonfire.com/blog/2008/04/29/from-instability-to-sustainability/#comment-162697</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Carthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 13:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pointing the finger at business as being the villain misses a huge portion of the sustainability picture.  Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely do not defend business, but the sad part about businesses is that they are attuned to delivering what consumers want.

Should the business step too far out of line in delivery to the market and no longer will the market offer support.

I have run an SME for the last thirty years, the last 6 of which I have endeavoured to guide our business toward a more sustainable future. The results of our actions are for all to see  http://www.carthew.com.au/2007_report.pdf  .

We are also endeavouring to dematerialise our activities so income earned is de-coupled from physical resources derived from the planet. We’ve stopped using direct mail for the very reasons you talk about… some 97% is in fact binned on average. At least the accursed spam email is a major advance here; as it involves a much smaller use of resources than the trees cut down to provide the medium of direct mail and so on and so on.

So yes, marketing can be greener but it also needs consumers to play their role. And it is here there is enormous opportunity to educate the wider community to place a value on  attributes of a product that are soundly based on environmental credentials. Then and only then will we begin to see people and business move in unison toward a sustainable future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pointing the finger at business as being the villain misses a huge portion of the sustainability picture.  Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely do not defend business, but the sad part about businesses is that they are attuned to delivering what consumers want.</p>
<p>Should the business step too far out of line in delivery to the market and no longer will the market offer support.</p>
<p>I have run an SME for the last thirty years, the last 6 of which I have endeavoured to guide our business toward a more sustainable future. The results of our actions are for all to see  <a href="http://www.carthew.com.au/2007_report.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.carthew.com.au/2007_report.pdf</a>  .</p>
<p>We are also endeavouring to dematerialise our activities so income earned is de-coupled from physical resources derived from the planet. We’ve stopped using direct mail for the very reasons you talk about… some 97% is in fact binned on average. At least the accursed spam email is a major advance here; as it involves a much smaller use of resources than the trees cut down to provide the medium of direct mail and so on and so on.</p>
<p>So yes, marketing can be greener but it also needs consumers to play their role. And it is here there is enormous opportunity to educate the wider community to place a value on  attributes of a product that are soundly based on environmental credentials. Then and only then will we begin to see people and business move in unison toward a sustainable future.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert John Ed</title>
		<link>http://brainsonfire.com/blog/2008/04/29/from-instability-to-sustainability/#comment-162078</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert John Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with that.  How do you measure the long term, the sustainable at BOF?    

Is there anything in particular that deviates from more common quarterly ROI reporting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with that.  How do you measure the long term, the sustainable at BOF?    </p>
<p>Is there anything in particular that deviates from more common quarterly ROI reporting?</p>
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		<title>By: Justine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kahuna - of course you're right about branding being more than WOM, but I don't think WOM is necessarily the only way to think sustainable.

Robert - And businesses have to make a profit - that is the ultimate measure of return. The challenge is in determining what is driving your profit. It's much easier for short-term initiatives than longer-term efforts that might more slowly build customer excitement, but the kind that lasts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kahuna - of course you&#8217;re right about branding being more than WOM, but I don&#8217;t think WOM is necessarily the only way to think sustainable.</p>
<p>Robert - And businesses have to make a profit - that is the ultimate measure of return. The challenge is in determining what is driving your profit. It&#8217;s much easier for short-term initiatives than longer-term efforts that might more slowly build customer excitement, but the kind that lasts.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert John Ed</title>
		<link>http://brainsonfire.com/blog/2008/04/29/from-instability-to-sustainability/#comment-162055</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert John Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Realist statement:  we exist to make profit.  ROI measures our profit.  It's not going anywhere.  

"Marketing, like manufacturing, stands at the doorstep of a great opportunity. An opportunity to revolutionize how we think about growth, measure return, and exist in relation to the communities that support us. Will we invest in developing better, smarter, more efficient ways to excite people about our products?"

Yes, we must step outside the conventional practices, we must continually work toward new and better ways to market.  That's what marketing is.  It's a shark.  It can't stop, or it dies.

But at the end of the day, real marketers know that ROI is the only thing that keeps that company afloat.  So you have to balance between experimentation and pragmatic practice.

Nice post Justine, got me thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Realist statement:  we exist to make profit.  ROI measures our profit.  It&#8217;s not going anywhere.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Marketing, like manufacturing, stands at the doorstep of a great opportunity. An opportunity to revolutionize how we think about growth, measure return, and exist in relation to the communities that support us. Will we invest in developing better, smarter, more efficient ways to excite people about our products?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, we must step outside the conventional practices, we must continually work toward new and better ways to market.  That&#8217;s what marketing is.  It&#8217;s a shark.  It can&#8217;t stop, or it dies.</p>
<p>But at the end of the day, real marketers know that ROI is the only thing that keeps that company afloat.  So you have to balance between experimentation and pragmatic practice.</p>
<p>Nice post Justine, got me thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: olivier blanchard</title>
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		<dc:creator>olivier blanchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Bill said. Terrific post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Bill said. Terrific post.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Morgen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Morgen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"They force us to innovate and not relax back into the status quo."

Great point Justine, although a lot of people don't want to hear that they have to make the changes.

I agree with you that forcing people out of their comfort zone, while un-pretty, can be extremely effective.

That space between comfort and effectiveness is called 'growth'.

Great blog,
R:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They force us to innovate and not relax back into the status quo.&#8221;</p>
<p>Great point Justine, although a lot of people don&#8217;t want to hear that they have to make the changes.</p>
<p>I agree with you that forcing people out of their comfort zone, while un-pretty, can be extremely effective.</p>
<p>That space between comfort and effectiveness is called &#8216;growth&#8217;.</p>
<p>Great blog,<br />
R:)</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Sustainable</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Sustainable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sustainability which is economically sound and good for the environment benefits everyone. It is true that we'll have to undo a frame of mind which has been with us since the beginning of the industrial age but day by day, more and more people are coming to realize that sustainability is the only way to go (and for all the right reasons).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sustainability which is economically sound and good for the environment benefits everyone. It is true that we&#8217;ll have to undo a frame of mind which has been with us since the beginning of the industrial age but day by day, more and more people are coming to realize that sustainability is the only way to go (and for all the right reasons).</p>
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		<title>By: Christy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me, or do I feel like we're missing a point in all this branding vs. word-of-mouth discussion?

The part I took away from Justine's post is that a company's identity is what it is. You can't brand your way out of bad business practices. Word-of-mouth isn't an advertising strategy or a branding practice. And, no, you can't raise all your awareness based solely on free PR forever.

Sustainable is making sure that you are walking your talk. Are your values (and business value!) in the right place? If so, your *tactics* spring from there. Some may be online community-building, some may be giving fans a place to talk about you, and some may include "traditional media."

I think the point is that the tactics are just that -- tactics. And those *must* change over time. We are continually changing the way we communicate as human beings, and companies must be aware and sensitive to those changes.

Justine, I'm glad you're no longer afraid of using the word, "sustainable" as it's applied to how people view a company, organization or product. Sustainability isn't just about zero land-fill or greenhouse gas emissions. It's a total model for organizational health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me, or do I feel like we&#8217;re missing a point in all this branding vs. word-of-mouth discussion?</p>
<p>The part I took away from Justine&#8217;s post is that a company&#8217;s identity is what it is. You can&#8217;t brand your way out of bad business practices. Word-of-mouth isn&#8217;t an advertising strategy or a branding practice. And, no, you can&#8217;t raise all your awareness based solely on free PR forever.</p>
<p>Sustainable is making sure that you are walking your talk. Are your values (and business value!) in the right place? If so, your *tactics* spring from there. Some may be online community-building, some may be giving fans a place to talk about you, and some may include &#8220;traditional media.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the point is that the tactics are just that &#8212; tactics. And those *must* change over time. We are continually changing the way we communicate as human beings, and companies must be aware and sensitive to those changes.</p>
<p>Justine, I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re no longer afraid of using the word, &#8220;sustainable&#8221; as it&#8217;s applied to how people view a company, organization or product. Sustainability isn&#8217;t just about zero land-fill or greenhouse gas emissions. It&#8217;s a total model for organizational health.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Gammell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Gammell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"It will take courage to look beyond conventional ROI. It will take dedication and creativity to see new ways to measure return."

I love it!  Conventional ROI will only take us so far and can be a bad launching pad for creating better solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It will take courage to look beyond conventional ROI. It will take dedication and creativity to see new ways to measure return.&#8221;</p>
<p>I love it!  Conventional ROI will only take us so far and can be a bad launching pad for creating better solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: BIG Kahuna</title>
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		<dc:creator>BIG Kahuna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it's great that you (BOF employees) all talk the same talk. Although it's a lot like the department of redundancy department. But here's the skinny...

Word of mouth marketing is ONE tactic. If you only rely on it you will be squashed. A multi-tiered integrated branding program (which could most definately include WOM is and will always be the best way for any company to go). 

Use the strategies and tactics that work best for your company. Hey, maybe billboards don't work for your company but they may for someone else. Ads may work better for you than others. Direct mail works incredibly for some (our clients certianly don't average 1%). If done correctly all tactics should leverage a companies brand identity.

If you get stuck on word of mouth only, well it WILL be game over for most. Just my thoughts as a branding guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s great that you (BOF employees) all talk the same talk. Although it&#8217;s a lot like the department of redundancy department. But here&#8217;s the skinny&#8230;</p>
<p>Word of mouth marketing is ONE tactic. If you only rely on it you will be squashed. A multi-tiered integrated branding program (which could most definately include WOM is and will always be the best way for any company to go). </p>
<p>Use the strategies and tactics that work best for your company. Hey, maybe billboards don&#8217;t work for your company but they may for someone else. Ads may work better for you than others. Direct mail works incredibly for some (our clients certianly don&#8217;t average 1%). If done correctly all tactics should leverage a companies brand identity.</p>
<p>If you get stuck on word of mouth only, well it WILL be game over for most. Just my thoughts as a branding guy.</p>
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